diff --git a/firmware/controllers/algo/engine2.cpp b/firmware/controllers/algo/engine2.cpp
index b3e0d0323b..612ce8e17b 100644
--- a/firmware/controllers/algo/engine2.cpp
+++ b/firmware/controllers/algo/engine2.cpp
@@ -164,7 +164,14 @@ void EngineState::periodicFastCallback() {
 	injectionOffset = getInjectionOffset(rpm, fuelLoad);
 
 	float ignitionLoad = getIgnitionLoad();
-	float advance = getAdvance(rpm, ignitionLoad) * engine->ignitionState.luaTimingMult + engine->ignitionState.luaTimingAdd;
+	float baseAdvance = getAdvance(rpm, ignitionLoad) * engine->ignitionState.luaTimingMult + engine->ignitionState.luaTimingAdd;
+	float correctedIgnitionAdvance = baseAdvance
+			// Pull any extra timing for knock retard
+			+ engine->module<KnockController>()->getKnockRetard();
+	// these fields are scaled_channel so let's only use for observability, with a local variables holding value while it matters locally
+	engine->ignitionState.baseIgnitionAdvance = baseAdvance;
+	engine->ignitionState.correctedIgnitionAdvance = correctedIgnitionAdvance;
+
 
 	// compute per-bank fueling
 	for (size_t i = 0; i < STFT_BANK_COUNT; i++) {
@@ -181,7 +188,7 @@ void EngineState::periodicFastCallback() {
 		// Apply both per-bank and per-cylinder trims
 		engine->engineState.injectionMass[i] = injectionMass * bankTrim * cylinderTrim;
 
-		timingAdvance[i] = advance + getCombinedCylinderIgnitionTrim(i, rpm, ignitionLoad);
+		timingAdvance[i] = correctedIgnitionAdvance + getCombinedCylinderIgnitionTrim(i, rpm, ignitionLoad);
 	}
 
 	// TODO: calculate me from a table!
diff --git a/firmware/controllers/engine_cycle/spark_logic.cpp b/firmware/controllers/engine_cycle/spark_logic.cpp
index 5fe8fd61da..0b907f68dd 100644
--- a/firmware/controllers/engine_cycle/spark_logic.cpp
+++ b/firmware/controllers/engine_cycle/spark_logic.cpp
@@ -101,8 +101,6 @@ static void prepareCylinderIgnitionSchedule(angle_t dwellAngleDuration, floatms_
 	angle_t correctedSparkAngle =
 		// Negate because timing *before* TDC, and we schedule *after* TDC
 		- getEngineState()->timingAdvance[event->cylinderNumber]
-		// Pull any extra timing for knock retard
-		+ engine->module<KnockController>()->getKnockRetard()
 		// Degrees of timing REMOVED from actual timing during soft RPM limit window 
 		+ getLimpManager()->getLimitingTimingRetard();